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15 Oct 2011 02:27 PM
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As Adamant stated, we started adding music tracks for earlier episodes before the two new BGM cd sets were released. I have since converted tracks over to the new sets that had the same tracks. We feel its best to use those two cds as the basis as most people will probably have bought those sets instead of the older cds. We went over 1-4 already and still need to review 5+ as you've said, so any information to help us is greatly appreciated.


I meant that I would be going through from the episodes 5 onwards to report possible tracks that someone forgot to put, wrong tracks, links to the older CDs instead of the more recent ones, tracks marked as unreleased when they're currently not and such. And I have noticed a lot of all that (not to disrespect the work, I just want it to be perfect). Of course I respect the work made beforehand.
Anyways, here we go (today I checked the episodes from 12 to 16).

The episodes 5-6, 9-14 and 16 featured no unreleased music.
The unreleased musics in the episodes 7-8 and 15 remain as such.

Episode 14 - Electric Shock Showdown / Electric Shock Showdown! Kuchiba Gym
- There's one music marked as unreleased, which is currently released, that's the following music, which plays in the episode with the beginning section cut off:
04:34 - http://www.pocketmonsters.net/cd/214#Track-3913, 1997-1998-M65A


Episode 15 - Battle Aboard the St. Anne / Battle Aboard the St. Anne!
- The music at 06:59 is correct, however, due to the site policy where

Quote From: Adamant
We use the recent "complete BGM" sets (which aren't FULLY complete) for consistency.


I think it's better to use the link you have been using for the same BGM in the previous episodes:
http://www.pocketmonsters.net/cd/214#Track-3889, this CD, instead of the one at http://www.pocketmonsters.net/cd/55#Track-401

- There are 5 tracks missing in the BGM list of the episode:
09:45 - http://www.pocketmonsters.net/cd/214#Track-3911, 1997-1998-M63: The Koiking salesman tricks Kojiro into the supposed "advantages" of raising many Koiking
12:20 - http://www.pocketmonsters.net/cd/214#Track-3905, 1997-1998-M50: Satoshi trades his Butterfree with the Ratta of the Gentleman
14:03 - http://www.pocketmonsters.net/cd/214#Track-3906, 1997-1998-M51: The doors of S.S. St. Anne close as the Rockets unveil themselves in the ship
17:23 - http://www.pocketmonsters.net/cd/203#Track-3562, 1997-1998-M57 ポケモンジム: Satoshi sends his Pigeon to aid the battle against the Rockets
20:34 - http://www.pocketmonsters.net/cd/214#Track-3881, 1997-1998-M23: The group and the Rocket Gang trio are trapped inside the wrecking ship, as the episode ends


Episode 16 - Pokemon Shipwreck / A Pokémon Robinsonade

- Replace the timing of the "music" at 11:47 in favor of 11:46, please. The two eyecatches are usually 7 seconds apart. But if you find best to retain the previous timing, I won't complain. Who am I afterall, just a newb with around 10 posts.

- There are 14 tracks (or instances of them) missing in the BGM list of the episode:
01:28 - http://www.pocketmonsters.net/cd/214#Track-3881, 1997-1998-M23: The episode begins with the same music that ended the previous, with the narrator recapping the shipwreck events. It ends at the title card.
03:44 - http://www.pocketmonsters.net/cd/214#Track-3918, 1997-1998-M70: Musashi and Kojiro imagine themselves taking a sunbath in the beach
04:59 - http://www.pocketmonsters.net/cd/203#Track-3560, 1997-1998-M56 戦い(VSトレーナー): Musashi sends out her Arbo to make a hole in the ship's base
06:15 - http://www.pocketmonsters.net/cd/214#Track-3921, 1997-1998-M72: Kasumi sends out her Tosakinto to try to find an exit to the ship
07:15 - http://www.pocketmonsters.net/cd/214#Track-3906, 1997-1998-M51: The Rocket Gang trio and the group send out each one's respective Pokémon to battle
07:44 - http://www.pocketmonsters.net/cd/214#Track-3914, 1997-1998-M66: Rocket Gang, the group and their Pokémon struggle to retain balance of the ship, as they go to one corner of the corridor and another
11:46 - http://www.pocketmonsters.net/cd/214#Track-3908, 1997-1998-M53: Dare da?
11:53 - http://www.pocketmonsters.net/cd/214#Track-3909, 1997-1998-M54: Koiking!
12:14 - http://www.pocketmonsters.net/cd/214#Track-3881, 1997-1998-M23: Satoshi sends out his Hitokage to try to make a hole in the ship's base... at the ceiling
16:29 - http://www.pocketmonsters.net/cd/214#Track-3904, 1997-1998-M49: Night falls and the whole crew of the raft is asleep, except for the splashing Koiking
17:11 - http://www.pocketmonsters.net/cd/214#Track-3914, 1997-1998-M66: The entire starving crew of the raft imagines possible fish courses out of the Koiking
19:03 - http://www.pocketmonsters.net/cd/214#Track-3915, 1997-1998-M67: Bound to the raft, the water Pokémon of the crew swim away from the rampaging Gyarados
19:51 - http://www.pocketmonsters.net/cd/214#Track-3874, 1997-1998-M14: More Gyarados appear, to the despair of the raft's crew
20:46 - http://www.pocketmonsters.net/cd/214#Track-3905, 1997-1998-M50: The group and the Rocket Gang trio's members are separated from each other in the hurricane, ending the episode in another cliffhanger
This post was last edited 15 Oct 2011 02:39 PM by ivantuga2
Post #22
15 Oct 2011 03:28 PM
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Quote From: ivantuga2
I meant that I would be going through from the episodes 5 onwards to report possible tracks that someone forgot to put, wrong tracks, links to the older CDs instead of the more recent ones, tracks marked as unreleased when they're currently not and such. And I have noticed a lot of all that (not to disrespect the work, I just want it to be perfect). Of course I respect the work made beforehand.Anyways, here we go (today I checked the episodes from 12 to 16).


Yeah, we realized that 6->30ish needed to be double checked since the CD's have come out after we'd started doing the music project so its good to get it double checked before moving on to episodes that are blank. It's never a bother believe me, we are willing for anyone with the music knowledge to help out. It's greatly appreciated. We worked hard to get the music pages and cd's going so that we could get these episode lists up and going to be a good reference for people. Hopefully it will become a great reference for Pokemon BGM fans!

I've corrected the PM14 & 15 edits as you suggested and Erlade added the PM16 music. Thanks for the info!

http://www.pocketmonsters.net/episodes/14#Music
http://www.pocketmonsters.net/episodes/15#Music
http://www.pocketmonsters.net/episodes/16#Music
Post #23
16 Oct 2011 10:50 AM
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Today I made sure that the 4 first episodes didn't have any kind of problems and yes, nothing to report there. I also saw the episodes 17 and 18. So now the first 18 episodes don't need to be checked anymore.

The episodes 1-4 and 17-18 featured no unreleased music.

Episode 17 - The Island of Giant Pokemon / Island of the Giant Pokémon!?

- Of course, replace the blank instance at 10:57 with the actual Dare da music, please.

- There are 9 BGMs (or instances of them) missing in the track list:
01:28 - http://www.pocketmonsters.net/cd/214#Track-3874, 1997-1998-M14: Narrator recaps the Gyarados' attack on the group and Rocket Gang trio
06:49 - http://www.pocketmonsters.net/cd/214#Track-3914, 1997-1998-M66: Nyarth persuades Arbo and Dogas to attack the group's Pokémon, in vain
10:30 - http://www.pocketmonsters.net/cd/214#Track-3915, 1997-1998-M67: Rocket Gang trio runs from what would turn out to be a giant robot Fire
10:57 - http://www.pocketmonsters.net/cd/214#Track-3908, 1997-1998-M53: Dare da?
11:04 - http://www.pocketmonsters.net/cd/214#Track-3909, 1997-1998-M54: Yadon!
14:11 - http://www.pocketmonsters.net/cd/214#Track-3914, 1997-1998-M66: The Rocket Gang trio spots the "Satoshi's" Pikachu in distance from the phone booth
17:16 - http://www.pocketmonsters.net/cd/214#Track-3874, 1997-1998-M14: Giant robot Lizardon and Kamex appear in distance
18:11 - http://www.pocketmonsters.net/cd/203#Track-3562, 1997-1998-M57 ポケモンジム: The Rocket Gang trio and group's Pokémon jump into the arms of their respective trainers, in the cart
20:11 - http://www.pocketmonsters.net/cd/214#Track-3918, 1997-1998-M70: Satoshi, Kasumi and Takeshi see Aopulco and its beach in front of their eyes

Episode 18 - Holiday at Aopulco

- Of course, replace the blank instance at 09:19 with the actual Dare da music, please.

There are 9 BGMs (or instances of them) missing in the track list:
01:56 - http://www.pocketmonsters.net/cd/214#Track-3918, 1997-1998-M70: Shots of Aopulco beach, the group has fun
04:50 - http://www.pocketmonsters.net/cd/214#Track-3914, 1997-1998-M66: A hag appears next to Musashi, Kojiro and Nyarth
05:44 - http://www.pocketmonsters.net/cd/214#Track-3887, 1997-1998-M28: Musashi invites customers to the hag's restaurant while taunting the group
07:11 - http://www.pocketmonsters.net/cd/214#Track-3915, 1997-1998-M67: Nyarth sabotages the group's restaurant business
08:32 - http://www.pocketmonsters.net/cd/214#Track-3914, 1997-1998-M66: The hag and Rocket Gang trio appear at the doors of Ryū's restaurant, enjoying the ruin of its owner
09:19 - http://www.pocketmonsters.net/cd/214#Track-3908, 1997-1998-M53: Dare da?
09:26 - http://www.pocketmonsters.net/cd/214#Track-3909, 1997-1998-M54: Hag!
13:57 - http://www.pocketmonsters.net/cd/214#Track-3911, 1997-1998-M63: Kasumi's angry at Musashi and Kojiro kicking her out of the exhibition stage
18:37 - http://www.pocketmonsters.net/cd/203#Track-3562, 1997-1998-M57 ポケモンジム: Satoshi sends out Pigeon and Hitokage against Rocket Gang trio's... rocket
This post was last edited 16 Oct 2011 11:25 AM by ivantuga2
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16 Oct 2011 02:13 PM
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Quote From: ivantuga2
Today I made sure that the 4 first episodes didn't have any kind of problems and yes, nothing to report there. I also saw the episodes 17 and 18. So now the first 18 episodes don't need to be checked anymore.The episodes 1-4 and 17-18 featured no unreleased music.


Music tracks for episodes now added to database:
http://www.pocketmonsters.net/episodes/17#Music
http://www.pocketmonsters.net/episodes/18#Music
Post #25
17 Oct 2011 12:53 PM
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The episode 19's BGM was almost complete, the only musics that needed to be added were the Title Card music, the Dare da eyecatches and the unreleased Mezase Pokémon Master instrumental at the end to a less extent.
The other episodes were missing more tracks. I decided to finish for today at 26.

Note: I don't know the name of the instruments that play at 05:06 in episode 23, when Ghos appears in the room where Musashi and Nyarth are. They're not really a music, but it would be nice if someone checked the episode, heard the instruments and added a context to them, putting them in the BGM list.
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17 Oct 2011 01:13 PM
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Note: I don't know the name of the instruments that play at 05:06 in episode 23, when Ghos appears in the room where Musashi and Nyarth are. They're not really a music, but it would be nice if someone checked the episode, heard the instruments and added a context to them, putting them in the BGM list.

That definitely sounds like an unreleased track and quite possibly could be a one of as I don't remember it being played at any other time. Added it to the music page for PM23. http://www.pocketmonsters.net/episodes/23#Music. The only track that has drums like that track that I could think of was http://www.pocketmonsters.net/cd/214#Track-3894 but its not even remotely close.
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17 Oct 2011 01:30 PM
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Quote From: Sunain
That definitely sounds like an unreleased track and quite possibly could be a one of as I don't remember it being played at any other time. Added it to the music page for PM23. http://www.pocketmonsters.net/episodes/23#Music. The only track that has drums like that track that I could think of was http://www.pocketmonsters.net/cd/214#Track-3894 but its not even remotely close.


You think it is? *shrug* I thought those were just the same drums playing over and over. But whatever. It did sound more like a music than a sound effect.
This post was last edited 17 Oct 2011 01:31 PM by ivantuga2
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17 Oct 2011 01:42 PM
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You think it is? *shrug* I thought those were just the same drums playing over and over. But whatever. It did sound more like a music than a sound effect.

Yeah, generally don't post the 'sound effects' in the music list as sfx are basically only a second or two. That track was almost 30 seconds long and did have a musical rhythm so definitely worth mentioning.
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18 Oct 2011 12:10 AM
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Added all the music tracks for:
http://www.pocketmonsters.net/episodes/30#Music
http://www.pocketmonsters.net/episodes/31#Music

This post was last edited 18 Oct 2011 12:18 AM by Sunain
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18 Oct 2011 08:46 AM
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Thanks for making my work easier. Today I checked the episodes 27-29 and 32-34. The episodes 27-29 weren't really missing anything, but the others needed more checking and adding tracks.

And I think I found two unreleased tracks. The first is at 12:11 in Episode 28, when Kojiro starts talking about "art" and roses appear in the background. Then a 7-second long BGM plays. Be sure to verify that it's really not on any CD.
There seems to be another unreleased BGM at 12:21, in Episode 34, when a flashback is made to Tomo's past. Not sure if it's a music, because at first those are just the Garura "singing", but then there seems to emerge a lullaby music out of it. Check if you please.

I've also noticed that one of BGM's timings in the Episode 28 (at 17:32) was a bit off (it should have been 14 seconds earlier). Same for another music in the Episode 32 (at 09:54) that should have been 4 seconds earlier. I've corrected them.

Now the first 35 episodes are pretty much done, sans possible few seconds of rarely heard and short unreleased tracks. Tomorrow I'll start with the first blank episodes of Kanto. The real challenge starts for me now.
This post was last edited 18 Oct 2011 01:49 PM by ivantuga2
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18 Oct 2011 02:24 PM
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The first is at 12:11 in Episode 28, when Kojiro starts talking about "art" and roses appear in the background. Then a 7-second long BGM plays. Be sure to verify that it's really not on any CD.

Yeah that's definitely not released. Uses trumpets ect. The series does have a few BGM tracks like that which I don't think will ever be released. I added it just for reference.

http://www.pocketmonsters.net/episodes/28#Music

Quote From: ivantuga2
There seems to be another unreleased BGM at 12:21, in Episode 34, when a flashback is made to Tomo's past. Not sure if it's a music, because at first those are just the Garura "singing", but then there seems to emerge a lullaby music out of it. Check if you please.

I wouldn't consider that 'music', its just Pokemon humming. If there was instruments playing like Purin's song, then that would probably be worth mentioning. I just consider that part 'dialog' lines.

This post was last edited 18 Oct 2011 02:29 PM by Sunain
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18 Oct 2011 02:30 PM
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I wouldn't consider that 'music', its just Pokemon humming. If there was instruments playing like Purin's song, then that would probably be worth mentioning. I just consider that part 'dialog' lines.


Yeah, but keep hearing the scene until around 1-2 minutes later after the Pokémon begin humming. I think I heard a music emerge after/at the end of that humming.
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18 Oct 2011 02:39 PM
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Quote From: Sunain
I wouldn't consider that 'music', its just Pokemon humming. If there was instruments playing like Purin's song, then that would probably be worth mentioning. I just consider that part 'dialog' lines.


Yeah, but keep hearing the scene until around 1-2 minutes later after the Pokémon begin humming. I think I heard a music emerge after/at the end of that humming.

Added it as "Garura Humming Song", there does seem to be a big time gap there between BGM tracks and at least people would know that something is actually there without haven't to go into the episode to double check. It's definitely a 'one of' though.

http://www.pocketmonsters.net/episodes/34#Music
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19 Oct 2011 09:55 AM
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Today I added the BGM for the episodes 36-38. In the episode 37 one of the previous unreleased tracks ("Swimming Ballet") played again, which I noticed and put in the list.

http://www.pocketmonsters.net/episodes/36#Music
http://www.pocketmonsters.net/episodes/37#Music
http://www.pocketmonsters.net/episodes/38#Music
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20 Oct 2011 12:00 AM
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Today I added the BGM for the episodes 36-38. In the episode 37 one of the previous unreleased tracks ("Swimming Ballet") played again, which I noticed and put in the list.

http://www.pocketmonsters.net/episodes/36#Music
http://www.pocketmonsters.net/episodes/37#Music
http://www.pocketmonsters.net/episodes/38#Music

I also added all the tracks for episode 39 and 40 today. That Swimming Ballet track is used quite often and I'm surprised that it's not included on either cd's. Will be interesting to see just how many episodes its in.

http://www.pocketmonsters.net/episodes/39#Music
http://www.pocketmonsters.net/episodes/40#Music

PM40 - 14:44 - 1997-1998-M27 激闘果てしなく~逃げろや逃げろ! - Japanese (Trans): Run Away, Run Away!
Just need to double check that's the right track.

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20 Oct 2011 09:00 AM
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That Swimming Ballet track is used quite often and I'm surprised that it's not included on either cd's. Will be interesting to see just how many episodes its in.


I think that track played 3 times already - in episodes 7, 15 and now 37. The problem is, the site system doesn't link to unreleased tracks, which makes it impossible to count the number of times they play, unless one counts it by himself.

Quote From: Sunain
PM40 - 14:44 - 1997-1998-M27 激闘果てしなく~逃げろや逃げろ! - Japanese (Trans): Run Away, Run Away!
Just need to double check that's the right track.


Yeah, that's the one that plays.

Well, for today I added the BGMs of the episodes 41-43 (I was planning to do the 39-41, but since you've done 39 and 40, I moved to the next ones).
One small thing to report in Episode 41: there seems to play a fast version of the music at 10:02, probably due to the smaller amount of frames given to the Rocket Gang Motto there.
In Episode 42 drums play at 11:36, right after the commercial break. They are the same ones that play at 05:06 in Episode 23.

http://www.pocketmonsters.net/episodes/41#Music
http://www.pocketmonsters.net/episodes/42#Music
http://www.pocketmonsters.net/episodes/43#Music
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20 Oct 2011 01:13 PM
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The problem is, the site system doesn't link to unreleased tracks, which makes it impossible to count the number of times they play, unless one counts it by himself.

Quote From: Sunain
PM40 - 14:44 - 1997-1998-M27 激闘果てしなく~逃げろや逃げろ! - Japanese (Trans): Run Away, Run Away!
Just need to double check that's the right track.

Thanks for double checking that track. I thought I'd help out with the adding some more music. The site does keep track of the unreleased tracks in the database so eventually I'll create a separate page listing the unreleased tracks used in the series.

This post was last edited 20 Oct 2011 01:14 PM by Sunain
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21 Oct 2011 09:48 AM
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Thanks for double checking that track. I thought I'd help out with the adding some more music. The site does keep track of the unreleased tracks in the database so eventually I'll create a separate page listing the unreleased tracks used in the series.


It would be great if such a page would be created. That way we would know the real number of unreleased tracks, where and when they play, etc.

I added the BGM for the episodes 44-46. In the episode 45 the Rocket Gang's Song played, after checking Rocket Gang CDs from 1997 to 2010 I'm very positive it was never released on one, so I marked it as Unreleased.
And as I (and you) advance through the episodes, I'm noticing more and more musics debuting in the show.

http://www.pocketmonsters.net/episodes/44#Music
http://www.pocketmonsters.net/episodes/45#Music
http://www.pocketmonsters.net/episodes/46#Music
This post was last edited 21 Oct 2011 10:07 AM by ivantuga2
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21 Oct 2011 07:13 PM
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In the episode 45 the Rocket Gang's Song played, after checking Rocket Gang CDs from 1997 to 2010 I'm very positive it was never released on one, so I marked it as Unreleased.

That track at 6:33 in PM45 is Rocket Gang Forever. The actual CD has a bit more of an introduction so that's why you might have missed it. http://www.pocketmonsters.net/cd/4#Track-233 It could actually be considered a TV version but since its unlikely they will ever release a 'TV version', assigning the full CD track version as the music should be sufficient.

Added music tracks for:
http://www.pocketmonsters.net/episodes/47#Music
http://www.pocketmonsters.net/episodes/48#Music

In PM48, there seems to be another unreleased track. It sounds very similar to http://www.pocketmonsters.net/cd/214#Track-3912 but not quite which makes me believe its the B track for this one that hasn't been released. That needs to be double checked incase I missed this track somehow.

This post was last edited 21 Oct 2011 08:28 PM by Sunain
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22 Oct 2011 09:43 AM
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Quote From: Sunain
That track at 6:33 in PM45 is Rocket Gang Forever. The actual CD has a bit more of an introduction so that's why you might have missed it. http://www.pocketmonsters.net/cd/4#Track-233 It could actually be considered a TV version but since its unlikely they will ever release a 'TV version', assigning the full CD track version as the music should be sufficient.


Darn, I should have heard the track in its full 30-second preview instead of just hearing the beginning and moving on. Glad that you were able to recognize it.

Quote From: Sunain
In PM48, there seems to be another unreleased track. It sounds very similar to http://www.pocketmonsters.net/cd/214#Track-3912 but not quite which makes me believe its the B track for this one that hasn't been released. That needs to be double checked incase I missed this track somehow.


The only part that felt similar for me was the very beginning of the music, but I guess that's enough to make it a "B" version of the other one. I can't find that track in the "Best" CDs and Anime Sound Collection back from 1998, so I think it's definitely unreleased. The description you made can be kept.

Today I put the BGM of the episodes 49-51 (of course!) and couldn't recognize a track in the Episode 50. This time I heard all the CD tracks released up to the point the episode aired, but still couldn't find the music. Keep in mind though that I only heard the 30 second previews.
I also heard another seemingly unreleased track in the Episode 51 and can't remember it being ever released.

http://www.pocketmonsters.net/episodes/49#Music
http://www.pocketmonsters.net/episodes/50#Music
http://www.pocketmonsters.net/episodes/51#Music
This post was last edited 22 Oct 2011 02:23 PM by ivantuga2
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